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  • PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-13-2008, 1:12 PM

    This text is copied from here .  Respond in this thread if you have any questions.  Thanks!

     

    PortlandHikers.org is moving!

    Portlandhikers is approaching its two year anniversary this month.  We’ve seen a lot of growth, a lot of fresh faces, and a ton of great trip reports and photos in this time. So much so, that we’re now a victim of our own success!  We’ve outgrown our database capacity on our current hosting environment with GoDaddy.  GoDaddy and Community Server (our forum software) have made it difficult and very expensive to upgrade. So we’ve decided to make a clean break. 

    We are going to re-launch PortlandHikers on a new hosting service and with a new forum software.  We are in the process of testing different software to find one easy-to-use, that allow us to share photos seemlessly, and multi-browser friendly.   At first, it will be like we're starting over again.  However, in short order we should have everything pieced together again.

    There will be a ton of questions, and I’ll try to answer some here. 

    Q: Are we going to lose all the old trip reports and other content?

    A: No.  For the short term all the current content will remain available on the old site which will serve as an archive as people start posting new reports on the new site.  In the coming weeks and months we're going to transition all the old forums, threads and posts into the new software. 

    Q: When are you getting started?

    A: Fairly soon!  Probably by the beginning of June.  As you probably already experienced, there have been significant problems posting in the month of May.  This is due to our limited remaining database space.  We’ve run whatever scripts we have to squeeze out a bit more time, but it’s only postponing the inevitable.

    Q: How will this affect the FieldGuide and Maps?

    A: This does not affect them at all.  The Field Guide has been on a Linux server on another hosting service for almost a year now.

    Q: Will be still be able to use the old site?

    A: Yes and No.  Yes you will be able to view threads and posts on the old site, but after a certain cutoff you will no longer be able to post to the old site.

    Q: Will we need to create a new login?

    A: We plan to migrate all the current usernames.  We can’t move the passwords over since they are encoded.  The plan is to give each of you a new unique password and have you change it upon your first login.  This may be a bit of a clunky process but we hope people will resist the urge to create a new login for themselves.  This will confuse things later as we bring all the old trip reports and other posts forward.

    Q: Will anything get lost?

    A: Yes - private messages will be lost.  You will want to make copies of any conversations you’d like to save.  The gallery photos on the PH site will be transitioned to the new site, but it’s unclear to us what form they’ll eventually take.  There may be other things we identify as our transition path takes shape.

    Q: Should I copy my own stuff to the new site?

    A: No.  We'd rather you didn't.  It will complicate things later!

    Q: What’s this going to cost?

    A: The transition may cost few hundred dollars.  We have this covered from the calendar fund raiser last fall.  However, depending on what forum software we choose, it may be significantly cheaper than this.

    Q: Will you become a pay site?  Offer advertising?

    A: We will not become a pay site, and we will continue to run completely ad-free.  We are looking at options for becoming a non-profit.

    Q: What forum  hosting services are you moving to?

    A: We've decided on BlueHost.  Our FieldGuide has been hosted by BlueHost for about a year now and they have been great!  They run Linux Servers, and will offer mySQL as a backend.  Their administrative tools are much better and give us much more finite control over backups, cleanup scripts and configurations. 

    Q: What forum software are you considering?

    We have been evaluating two forum softwares: vBulletin  and phpBB.  These are the de-facto industry standards and each have many plug-ins, configurations, and skins to help us customize the site to our liking.  Each has a significant online support community – something which was somewhat lacking for our version of Community Server.  Using something popular also increases the chance that you folks will already be used to how it works due to your experience on other sites. (for instance, NWHikers.net uses phpBB.  Don't worry our look will be a lot different even if we use the same software)

    Q: How long will the transition take?

    A: Once we have the software up-and-running, configured and well-tested we'll flip the switch overnight and the ph.org url will take you to the new site from that point on.  So in that respect the transition will be instantaneous. 

    However, transitioning all the old content to the new site, might take awhile - perhaps even a few months.  We're not sure yet. 

    Q: Didn’t we upgrade last summer?

    A: Kinda.  We had actually planned to do this big migration last summer, but were able to convince GoDaddy to double our database size and transition us to a faster application server to buy us some time.  So then our intent was to do the transition over the winter when our traffic was a lot lower, but many of our folks have been dedicating a lot of time to the Trails Association project, so this plan slipped until now when it just can’t wait anymore!

    Q: How can I help?

    A:  Patience and constructive criticism will help!  We’ll also need a few guinea pigs – if you can give us some significant attention to beta test the new software we'd like to hear from you. 

    This new site should be a whole ton better. The point is to have much more consistent and reliable performance, be friendlier to Mac/Safari/Firefox users, and overall be easier to use.  However keep in mind, the new site will be different than the old one.  There will be a learning curve - so take a little time to read the Faqs and How-tos as they become available. 

    Thanks!

    Jeff, Dan, Steve and Jane

     


    Jeff - Site Admin

    Someday you'll take me home to live forever....up on the mountain
    S. Chapman
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-13-2008, 7:10 PM

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    Thanks!  This seems a very thorough explaination.  Thankyou again for the creation of this site - what a wonderful thing for hikers, and for encouraging enjoyment and responsible use of the great outdoors!

    -Zach

  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-13-2008, 9:47 PM

    Thanks, Jeff - excellent update! Sign me up as a beta tester.

    Tom
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-13-2008, 11:05 PM

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    Great news!  I am glad that I am on board to witness the transition.  Thank you to those who are doing the real work, and I would be willing to help as I can.

    -aaron


    "Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished." -Lao Tzu
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-21-2008, 10:44 AM

    Me too, I'll beta test for you. Have you tried Wordpress at all? If you need a light weight content management system (that started out as a blogging product), it works great. We use Linux + Wordpress with a great deal of success, low-cost, non-for-profit sites.
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-21-2008, 10:49 AM

    alexcmei:
    Me too, I'll beta test for you. Have you tried Wordpress at all? If you need a light weight content management system (that started out as a blogging product), it works great. We use Linux + Wordpress with a great deal of success, low-cost, non-for-profit sites.

    Thanks for the recommendation.  We'll look into that.  thanks!  And thanks for volunteering.  We are actually behind on our original estimate.  If only this were our day job!  Smile


    Jeff - Site Admin

    Someday you'll take me home to live forever....up on the mountain
    S. Chapman
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-26-2008, 8:05 PM

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    I see PH might be moving to phpBB.  One thing I like about the nwhikers.net site is the neat interface there for posting pics directly from a smugmug, flikr, picasa, etc, account.  Try a sample post there sometime if needed.  It would be great to have a feature like that on the site revamp. 
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-26-2008, 8:09 PM

    Thanks Fettster.  That's a good suggestion.  For anyone a bit concerned about the direction we might be going, that's a good place to test out what the experience might be like. I believe they have a test forum?


    Jeff - Site Admin

    Someday you'll take me home to live forever....up on the mountain
    S. Chapman
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-27-2008, 6:37 PM

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    Yay! I'm excited. :)

    Will we be able to search the 'old' site successfully?

    "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
    - Will Rogers
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-27-2008, 9:55 PM

    It would be really great to have the same software as nwhikers.net. It works very well, with no difference discernible among Windows, Firefox and Mac Safari. Those of us with the latter two browsers will no longer have to use html to post links or photos.




    May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view.--E.Abbey
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-27-2008, 10:07 PM

    I can't say I'm too keen on the default skin of phpBB, but it does seem to be pretty functional.  The only thing I didn't see there was the field guide, which is a pretty cool thing.  I would hate to lose the functionality of the field guide...

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: WOW-What a ride!-Dean Karnazes-"Ultramarathon Man"
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-27-2008, 11:35 PM

    The Field Guide is a separate system altogether fom the forums. We moved it to a new system some time ago and it's not part of this current project. It will remain as is.



    What do you suppose is around that next bend?
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-29-2008, 6:32 PM

    The crew made a lot of progress on the new site in the past few days.  We're hoping to cut over in about 10 days!
    Jeff - Site Admin

    Someday you'll take me home to live forever....up on the mountain
    S. Chapman
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-29-2008, 6:35 PM

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    jeffstatt:
    The crew made a lot of progress on the new site in the past few days.  We're hoping to cut over in about 10 days!

    Glad to hear that you are making progress on this, Jeff. Looking forward to seeing what the new site will look like.

    dn


    "If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" - anon
  • Re: PortlandHikers is moving. And soon! Please read

     05-30-2008, 4:32 PM

    I have to agree with RobfromRedland. I've always disliked the skin over at nwhikers.net. In comparison, I like the look of the forums here at PH.

    Cheryl
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